bantu semitic language

The opposite idea, that Semitic originated geographically close to the other AfAs language families (so, in Africa), has been proposed a few times but not been widely accepted. No, I cannot explain the Bantu languages being similar to Hebrew because they aren't similar to Hebrew. I speak Hebrew fluently and I have a degree It comes from Spanish and is probably more commonly used in the American West than in the East, but the OED records its use in English (in the original meaning of beach) all the way back to 1600 (although until the nineteenth century it seems to be used primarily in descriptions of beaches in Spanish-speaking areasadding a bit of local linguistic color). What Y said. @PlasticPaddy: that looks like a great addition to the previous thread on fish terms and sex trade jargons. Different points of departure underlie claims about universals in language acquisition. Sanskrit: mna (from Dravidian) 1. That would be the expected outcome of *diHkos too, and the meaning looks closer to wild than Lithuanian dykas empty, free, vacant does. It calls for subsidy if you ask me. On a slightly different tack, I wonder to what extent the interpretation of Hittite texts actually was helped by IE comparison. Among the (very few) texts by Ehret that I read the most memorable was the Innovation Rant. Of all these proposals, the most controversial is what may be called the Inter-Saharan Hypothesis. Theres some circular reasoning in using his cognate table as proof of a relationship between proto-Nubian and Meroitic, since this is his reworked table and the best proof he has for the meanings of the Meroitic words is their correspondence with his sense of proto-Nubian. Kitchen et al. Compare and contrast: has any significant research on comparative Indo-European ever come out of Latin America? eLV1"R2223s44BakVCvK vB"LO$]06pQUHjepM 7Vyy-}qcNGBg8F5-gI{ bZjDYdm,4IN $0$wL*kN,FseWCJ+C$}n4n gT>i!|8KP=}Zw4)dm,|][ g+ siXr/ Cf. No. He is ignoring the fact that the lexical correspondences are extremely few, often mama and papa words or onomatopoeics (like fu/pu blow) and unsupported by any regular sound correspondences (its hard to see how there could be any, given that nobody has reconstructed the Volta-Congo protolanguage or even agreed on its segmental phonology; nor Proto-Mande either, come to that.) Bantu languages, a group of some 500 languages belonging to the Bantoid subgroup of the Benue-Congo branch of the Niger-Congo language family. TypeIt (IPA keyboards, language character sets) https://escholarship.org/uc/item/2699d31r, Better is his treatment here of a range of Northern East Sudanic languages here: And this is probably ridiculously irrelevant, but I have a friend from the region whose English ds come out a little ragged that way. Perhaps not even Ehret. Ruhlen-level stuff. Then we naturally want to make regional (skewed) terminology compatible with international (unbiased) terminology and here we have a problem. I think the power of what Rilly is doing is shown by his ability to complete the translation of the inscription at the end of the paper you cited, through convincing interpretations of previously unknown and uncertain Meroitic words. 109-142. * The author of all three works is a Uralicist, though, so his choice of PU reconstructions is likely to be much better than those of almost anyone who has tried to work on Indo-Uralic before. Starostin fils has thought a lot about what lexicostatics can and cant do (he has other papers on this, as Im sure you know. In these approaches, abstract representations emerge as secondary properties at best, and at worst, are absent entirely. Sure. I do recognize your point about the isolates being more prevalent as a challenge to my ideas. Word Oddities The most extreme case for Niger-Congo is Gerrit Dimmendaals 2011 book, which rejects numerous established branches and treats them as independent. Thats the North American species, evidently recently introduced as described in the abstract. List 3 important characteristics of Afro-Asiatic family. fiskrij), n. [Mnt vischerie] L. Andras Rajkis Etymological Dictionary of Arabic And if you need borrowed morphology, Danish -eri (vaskeri, bageri) seems to be borrowed from some Romance varietys equivalent of the -eria in pizzeria, taquera and so on. Even within Oti-Volta, there are clear signs of classes having split into formally distinct subclasses in some individual branches (Nateni and Ditammari are unique in all of Oti-Volta, if not all of Volta-Congo, in having a fire class separate from the water class), mergers in other branches, and wholesale transfers of certain semantic groups from one class to another (Western Oti-Volta, with the sole exception of Boulba, has bodily transferred all tree names from a bu/di class to the ga/si class.). Adams, G.B. and would advise. lexical evidence is the main basis. He also suggests a relation to Proto-West Germanic *-astrij.[1]. Language production typically starts out with utterances, as behavioral elements which provide the initial basis for expressing relations between semantic content and phonetic form. -u < * < *-n); or that if going by haphazard collections of morphology, you can easily show Mari to be probably a Turkic language. In other words, it is a Wiktionary): Stachel-Schwein, hystrix, , . So this is a gray area which i think DLG was not disputing. This assumption is not made it may creep in in the Discussion section (I havent read the paper yet), but its not made by the computer program. Alon, what forms have you heard? This population potentially introduced the Y chromosome haplogroup J1 into the region (Chiaroni et al., 2010; Lazaridis et al., 2016). 1) fiske, fiskfngst. These times overlap with the dates for the Bronze Age origin and spread of Semitic languages in the Middle East and East Africa estimated from lexical data (Kitchen et al., 2009; Figure 2). a) cognacy judgments are correct, that consensus can be reached about their accuracy. It therefore seems probable that this formation goes back to the common ancestor of Proto-Semitic and Proto-Berber. The IE and Semitic case is probably not a general rule, perhaps indeed an exception that could be conditioned by a notable unimportance of fish in the PIE and PS agripastoralist lifestyle. It is an area which I wish to see studied more: creative contribution of speakers in the langauge (rather than in a text). I had, indeed, believed the converse: that the city of Ur was not called that natively, but named by some German archaeologist because of its extreme antiquity. Language production typically starts out with utterances, as behavioral elements which provide the initial basis for expressing relations between semantic content and phonetic form. Most salmon are anadromous , spending most of their time in the ocean but breeding on land. Possibly written by his own ghost. Your examples refer to an edible fish (salmon) and a fisherman, not, e.g., aquarium fish. which is from none other than Kay Williamson and Roger Blench. https://www.academia.edu/36487882/TOWARDS_THE_TRANSLATION_OF_MEROITIC_TEXTS_PROSPECTS_AND_METHODS. Kusaal has triple vowels too, though expected three-mora monophthongs are reduced to two everywere except in maaa only; this is probably an exception on account of the change from *aaa to aaa (overlong glottalised vowel) being fairly recent (it was not complete in Toende Kusaal until after the 1970s.). The continual renovation of words for fish is really interesting! All this is, of course, exactly why careful study of areal and contact phenomena is not in opposition to comparative work, but an essential part of it. In the specific case of Gldemann 2008, you have a bunch of weak similarities across a vast area which need to be accounted for by some combination of common ancestry, contact, and coincidence; proposing that they are to be explained by contact and not by common ancestry is a historical hypothesis with direct relevance to questions of genetic relationship, and in this case a clearly defensible one. Whats happened here is that the textbooks simply take Manessys classification as a given. In fact by modern classification shad, alewives, and herring are all fairly close relatives of each other (Clupeidae), but sharks are so distantly related that whales are in fact closer (Euteleostomi). Jan Freemans Boston Globe column Until recently mass/collective nouns suffixes were productive (I see this mostly in distribution in modern Russian) but have been suppressed in written langauge by, I think, translated literature (again, from distibution) and in spoken langauge by schooling. If a percentage of the 50 was a slender reed, some of the 20 is a blade of grass. As if we had a reconstructable IE word for dhoti, True enough: the *pisk- word seems to be just Italic, Celtic and Germanic. Strong Language (a sweary blog about swearing), Language resources: In the domain of morphology, Miceli, Mazzucchi, Menn, and Goodglass (1983) demonstrate the importance of parametric variation. Who would guess that (as)se(oir) is cognate to sit? In contemporary Russian can also mean strange, weird, but I dont know how old that meaning is. For Western Oti-Volta, the idea of substrata would make a lot of sense on first principles; it seems very likely that the current geographical range of these languages is a development of the last few centuries. (Caveat lector; for one thing, the tables should not be confused with etymologies or cognate sets.). Tee hee. That is not currently testable, though. In lb, however, *xdm is a nonword and, as a result, is not produced in isolation. Finally, Joseph Greenbergs 1950 work led to the widespread rejection of Hamitic as a language category by linguists. I have to say that he knows a lot more about Nilo-Saharan languages than I do, though. If such a migration took place, then there should be scattered loaned livestock terms in Nilo-Saharan languages all the way between the Nile and Lake Chad. G. Starostins lexicostatistical paper on the relationships of Eastern Sudanic is here on academia.edu; he has worked on a lot of other stuff, as his main page shows. In my own pet area, Oti-Volta, it is notable that there is a sharp drop in language diversity as you go from East to West, which looks very likely to be connected with the rise and expansion of the Mossi-Dagomba states and their very closely related Western Oti-Volta languages over the past six or seven centuries. Yes: this is a combination of whataboutery, a remarkable misrepresentation of the actual activities of some notorious splitters, and (worst of all) a surprising failure to grasp the relevance of demonstrating contact phenomena and mapping typology when it comes to avoiding mistaken conclusions about genetic relationships. Lionel Bender (1997) groups Berber, Cushitic, and Semitic together as Macro-Cushitic. lgo i fiskeriet SO 289 . (In a good way ). * Of course, they might be related. (Newcastle, N.S.W., Australia is now the largest coal-exporting city in the world, though it does not seem to be called Newcastle on Hunter.) [diyyu] The point is that Newcastle upon Tyne (with no Southern hyphens in it, please) was the center of the coal export industry in Britain when there was any coal to export. Here Blench is explicitly confusing the method with the data. As DE notes, *i can be added to the *r in Anatolian to form the primary stem. And sorry for writing that much about pigs, but I have many questions now: 1) why there are THAT many synonims for a thorn? Gold filigreed pendant found with female skeletons in upper layer of Early Bronze Age Tomb 1. If you mean living fossils, you can only tell that they havent changed much by comparing them to reconstructed ancestors. Catherine Obianuju Acholonu & Erich Fred Legner Review of a paper presented at the Conference on Indigenous Knowledge and the Challenges of the 21 st Century, Institute of African Studies, UNN, Nsukka. Technically, the title page doesnt carry your name, but the headers atop each individual page do. Yes, its the only language, unless you count Samaritan Hebrew as a different language, but thats a very long shot. Bantu people are biblical hebrews. *kala has also been considered related to IE words for big fish like whale and Latin squalus. Friedrich Mller introduced the name Hamito-Semitic for the entire language family in his Grundriss der Sprachwissenschaft (1876). Not really the case in any vocabulary-leaving substrate situation Im familiar with. This is why some people find it important, but it also evolves differently. Cats are popular, I always thought that there must be Book of Cat somewhere. Looking at Fulfulde, with its record-breaking profusion of noun classes, the two things that strike you coming from Gur are, (a) the system doesnt work the same way with regard to number: rather than many regular sg/pl pairings, many singular classes share the same handful of plural classes (so too in Wolof). * testing word is what they teach in first grade: a word where this vowel is stressed. Etymologisches Wrterbuch des Deutschen The total number of languages in this family ranges in the hundreds. It does make a contact explanation for the rise of gender in Southern Nilotic seem a little more tempting. Another interesting paper! *Funny isoglesses. The trees are rather trivially repeatable: given the same data, the same method and the same settings (which you really ought to publish), you will get the same trees. And the apparent southward expansion of the Sahara prior to the African humid period provides a potential explanation for the relative unity of Niger-Congo, if thats accurate with perhaps a lucky group at the Bight pushing north and west into territory that had been uninhabitable. But I shouldnt wonder if we (they) got it from French where it seems very productive, cf boulangerie). At least in my experience, uses such as this are common only in very colloquial use, as illustrated by the second quote. And in the acquisition of the lexicon, again across languages, children move from a restricted vocabulary of nursery terms and over or underextensions of conventional items to a period of creative innovation; eventually the conventional lexicon takes over, while at the same time vocabulary growth is both constrained and elaborated by socially and culturally appropriate distinctions of register and usage, lasting into adolescence. No, I have no idea why it isnt uras as would be expected. It certainly is false, in principle; Western Oti-Volta illustrates the point in fact, with isoglosses criss-crossing in a way that seems impossible to explain without supposing the spread of features across already-established language boundaries. Dr. Vince Bantu (PhD in Semitic and Egyptian Languages, CUA)is the Ohene (President) of the Meachum School of Haymanot and is Assistant Professor of Church History and Black Church Studies at Fuller Theological Seminary. (I may be unfair. A number of famous names come to mind when thinking of creolists from Africa or of African descent, and they surely were initially moved to take an interest in such things by their own linguistic experience. To use the last sentence in a shop selling food would imply that it sells live fish (whether or not it also sells dead fish). Vgl. concluded that if all we had was the contemporary varieties, wed know well enough that they were related, but would never be able to work out just how. also known as Afrasian and traditionally as Hamito-Semitic (Chamito-Semitic), is a large language family of several hundred related languages and dialects. https://academic.oup.com/hmg/article/30/R1/R17/6025449. rarely engage with the literature, failing to describe the errors that presumably characterise the proposals sounds more like an invitation to dialogue. The former is fisu, following this varietys general trend of by default getting all the content words from Swedish (including a majority of the Swadesh list); the latter is *erig > Udm. Indeed his Proto-Akanic root for to make a mistake is apparently *-, which strikes me as blatantly implausible even if were assuming its an ideophone. Yes. Again, Dagbani and Mampruli are so close on a Swadesh-100 metric that they might as well be the same language; but so is Kusaal, which is not mutually comprehensible with either and is quite different (and much more conservative, overall) phonologically and to some extent morphologically and syntactically. Destruction, abandonment, and decentralization marked the end of the third millennium. But hes not any kind of iconoclast, and his go-and-see-for-myself method, while wholly admirable and enviable, doesnt help when the higher-level classifications have themselves been based on inadequate data and/or inadequate reasoning, because he essentially takes the higher-level framework as given, and sorted out already. Hes in good company. An interesting feature of this Old South Arabian script is that the order of its letters departs from that of Phoenician and the consonantal script of Ugarit. There is a Kusaal verb zug blow bellows, but that doesnt look like a plausible root for hedgehog either to me. I added figuring out the attestation chronology to my to do list (perhaps inspired by this passage in Kossmann, cattuscattus is funny. Mesmes ttmi does not really look like Soqotri fare, but maybe I am missing something. It seems have been the general consensus for a good while that Atlantic is not itself a genetic unity, so it may well turn out that parts of it will eventually be shown to be related to Volta-Congo, but not others. Its a heated overstatement about the authors perceived opponents.. Dogon likewise: no classes; verb extensions of V-C type but with nothing that looks potentially cognate. prost. (although see [my paper] for alternative placements of [3 taxa]) %j& by johnydon22 ( m ): 7:38am On Nov 07, 2015 Op Yahweh is a semitic deity and it has Semitic origin and has attributes of many older semtic deities showing it developed theological attributes and anthropomorphical attributed gradually. but for some reason dikobraz just didnt sound like a porcupine. (I created a handy summary of the various Moba verb morphology patterns for my own use: I manage to get it down to a mere twenty pages. They form the largest branch of the Southern Bantoid languages. As others have said, basal means farthest from what Im interested in at the moment. Courtesy Glenn M. Schwartz. The way forward is comparative work on well-documented languages. This is Very True Indeed. (Id actually never looked up Jordanes original, and did not realise that he expressed the concept in two ways, one of which is unaccountably cited less often. (Proto-Bantu, for example, is pretty solid, despite the fact that there are no sources going back more than a few centuries.) ), Perhaps not even Ehret. On what basis is it decided that some region constitutes a linguistic area? The Land of the Ideophone!). However, Christopher Ehret (1979), Harold Fleming (1981), and Joseph Greenberg (1981) all agree that the Omotic branch split from the rest first. Also Im going to sing. I know it parses differently, but it seems interesting (and maybe relevant?) 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