Casting 20 feet of 5wt line the stress curve is flat. Most of the classic rodmakers continually "fudged" their tapers over the years (sometimes unintentionally due to machine and pattern wear, and sometimes deliberately). .248@15 (Greg Reeves), TipsHome - What'sNew - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - ContactUs - TaperArchives To vary the straight line you can adjust the tip dimension. Are there specific numbers at the ferrule for, say, an 8013 where a 14/64's ferrule is used? Dickerson R.W. ), Then as it was, then again it will be. Gary - The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. (Gary Nicholson). Is there a classic taper that roll casts better any others? If you want to see the justification for compound tapers look at the design of the Eiffel tower or any electricity pylon. 60 0.231 142296 Perhaps it's a European thing to like fast action rods ? 0.232 by Aransas.clarks 05/09/09 02:49, Post But more relevant and to the point, I bought a single tip Dickerson 7613 from John and he recently provided me with a second tip from pre-embargo cane and original Dickerson hardware, and the action is a dead ringer for the original Dickerson 7613. 8ft #5wt. My original Dickerson is an 861711D dated 1936. I would highly recommend the 8013 for your first Dickerson rod. I've cast the original and it is one strong casting rod and deserving of the Guide Special nomenclature. All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. John P. has the Original Dickerson 7612 taper, a very rare rod but John understandably will not share the taper. They are very nice 5 weights ( IMHO it is THE 8 5 wt). 15 0.115 163502 (Stephen Dugmore). Jim P. you have some great choices there. (Paul Blakley), I have a taper for the Dickerson 7613 and am a little confused. The top snake guide on the butt has a bit of a bend to it. When things are stated incorrectly, many of the newer makers on the list can get very confused. Howell says "they are just different" in his book, but I am looking for something bit more specific. (Larry Swearingen), Sorry about the double question, original question appeared lost in cyberspace. 30 .174 .322 For those of you that have built this rod, does it flex into the beginning of the handle? 65 0.248 134403 There should be 20 measurements not 19. It's a two piece, 8 foot five weight. 0 .326 .180 40 .200 .070 0.205 Made several of them. Lyle Dickerson tapered copies Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. Anyway, far too few people concern themselves over what should be the staple obsession of every rodmaker-design. I was contemplating a rod with a 3.5 ft tip section and interchangeable butt sections of maybe 2, 3 and 4 ft lengths. Mr. Garrison did indeed design excellent rod tapers, but his tapers as well as all tapers ONLY HAVE A STRAIGHT HORIZONTAL STRESS CURVE under a very specific set of line conditions, outside of these conditions the SC is no longer Horizontal or straight but just another Curve. Unless that is what you are trying to achieve. Though the course may change sometimes, rivers always reach the sea. (Greg Holland), Who knows, he may have just been responding to a client request, presume he had to eat. If you like I can send you a compensated SLT and you will see what I mean. Just for once I'm going to recommend a step down ferrule! My original point, with which you took issue, was: I just wanted to make the point that there's a difference between a rod with a straight taper and one with a straight, flat stress curve. (Gary Nicholson), So out of great curiosity then - how would you describe to me (someone who doesn't have a clue) how the action would feel or perform with regard to a "Straight Taper Rod" comparatively speaking. 15 .128 .278 0.153 0.320 I have looked on the Rodmakers site under tapers and it is not listed. In the upper left corner, in blue, you'll see the real measurements we took, for all 3 flats at each measurement point. Somehow the "D" was either left off by me in the original posting or was lost in translation to David's site. I've built this one which was posted to the rodmaker's listserv years ago. This gives a quick, accurate impression as to what type of taper the rod is made from (straight, parabolic, compound, etc.) Click here to directly compare the action of the 5 weight tapers marked with an asterisk ( * ) below. 60 0.242 Starting at a tip dimension specific to a given line weight you add diameter to the length of the rod in linier increments until you reach the rod length you want. Very nice guy. 40 0.180 146694 I would argue that the variances are due to machine error, rather than deliberate (consider that you are tapering the strips by running them thru a glorified router, excuse me milling machine, using a worn wooden pattern board running over metal rollers, to determine the taper. Or, if these are not good tapers for this, any suggestions as to which tapers would be? 0.232 (Larry Puckett), If you look at page 104 of the Dickerson book you will see his die set. 0.334 . I have been working with Bob Norwood's taper program, using it to derive a basic set of reference tapers. Made 4 or 5 of the lighter. I look forward to continuing it, However I am off to spend a week over on the Henry's Fork. Lyle Dickerson (1892-1981) has long been known as a pioneer in rodbuilding, due partly to his use of machinery in production but primarily appreciated by fishermen for many of his fast and accurate taper designs. Dickerson 8615 - 8.5ft 2pc 7wt Posted by Gary Lohkamp,15 Jan 1997. They tend to be slightly faster action than the classic designs on which they were based. The 8014 taper was devised later in Lyle's life and reflects both this ma I would agree that one system is not all encompassing and I agree with the selection of evaluating criteria you outlined. Nowadays, some guys machine ferrules out of bar stock, and they have a reasonable way to make the openings different sizes on the top and bottom. .232@10 Line Size Tip Size That his tapers could be surpassed by todays standards? This is, of course, wildly unsatisfactory, but all attempts to reduce the problem seem to last for only a short time. Lyle Dickerson's famed taper. ever wonder why all those 10 1/2/64 Heddons broke at the female ferrule? by LeeO 05/26/17 07:47, Post Crisp, strong, smooth, versatile. Dickerson 8015 Guide Special, 2607 - 5. You simply have to then adjust the rate of change of the taper - the rise. 5 0.0825 Just a topic to ponder on these slow summer days. They would be; The Straight line taper is the most basic and then the six major deviations of the SLT. 5 .092 .242 The taper is designed for trout fishing. The other issue is mandrels and they just don't come in 1/128 sizes. My vote goes to L.C. You may, or may not, as a rod designer, wish to achieve either, but probably not both! It's an Asian knockoff of a Dickerson 7012 4WT 7-0 taper. I do find that I am using much shorter rods than I did, I think its the American influence of this Listserv! Start out by choosing your fly rod, and follow it up with a visit to our collection of fly reels. All of the Dickerson tapers I have made using Super Zs have been great. That has compensation for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides. As for the ferrule size, I use a 14/64 ferrule. Spring Creek Four, Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. I like Paynes too! Lyle Dickerson (Michigan) But nobody has a right to ask me to share it. Let's be honest about this. I add a few thousandths to the last 3 inches to get a better fit. (Will Price), I have noticed several folks mention the Dickerson 8014. I measured the rod after seeing David Ray's posting of an 861711 in his taper library that is accessed from Hexrod. Hi, I am considdering letting my local builder make me copy of a Dickerson rod, after all the positive notes on his rods I have read here. 6-strip Tonkin bamboo I have a tough time roll casting over about 65' with any rod, no matter how long or limber. Springcreek, the 8013 you have listed. (Harry Boyd). I can always build another and I'm sure I will. Dies are not so easy to make that he would have probably have made an entire offset set. Inquiring solvent-afflicted minds want to know. Tel: 802-362-3300, Summer 10 .112 .262 10 0.097 (John Silveira). The taper I used was from "The Lovely Reed." You can vary the slope to get the "speed" you want (Garrison's are .013/5"; a B-9 .015/5"; and I've built them as fast as .018/5"). Sorry! The 8013 is a faster rod with a stiffer tip which makes it capable of handling more line at a greater distance, the downside is that it wont fish as well up close. (Greg Reeves), This version appears to me to take a step into account. The last tip measurement (that goes into the male ferrule) is .204. 0.174 48 .224 .375, I don't know how Banjo arrived at the measurements under the grip and reel seat. I think of it as an 8013G. A few of the tapers shown on the deflection comparison page are not listed here as they are from active rodmakers; out of professional courtesy I prefer not to offer those for sale. 75 0.2855 Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. The line was a Scientific Angler's WF7 in their XXD (distance) format. by thramerrods 06/17/16 04:28, Post An 8014, would be an 8' two piece, with a size 14 ferrule amidships. CANE RODS Tips & Tapers by Ray Gould has another version that averages out the step down. The varnish is in good condition. The part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo on the female side (butt side) had an inside diameter (ID) of .221", or 14/64. : This is a 5 wt line SLT. The rod is currently 7'-2" after a test fit so I want to trim to the correct 7-0 length. (John Channer), I have never been able to describe to anyone else how a rod feels to them. I beef up the last 3 inches of the tip to fit the 14/64 male ferrule. Perhaps you can see why I think that a 1500 cane rod may be a bargain! (Chris Obuchowski). How drastically do you think it would change the action if I pushed the swell out in front of the handle? While I have never cast an original (I think only a few were ever made by Mr. Dickerson) I have made a 4-5. Typically it is a heavy tip section combined with a light butt section. 20 .143 .292 The last 7613 is a version by Todd Talsma, it is the strongest one a 6/7 wt similar to the 1952 model. In the original Ritz conception the rod, or the taper, was the tip. (Paul Blakley), I think a 7'6'' rod is short for any line weight. They look very representative to what I have seen. 'smoothed' tapers are a result of computer tapers and exhibit a poor understanding of how dickerson designed his tapers. What I do is look at the actual flat to flat measurements of the blank at the ferrule ends, match it against the chart for the best fit. It has a butt swell of about .070 also. I deducted .005 for the varnish. However many people may like them, does this mean they cannot be improved on? 0.369 (Al Baldauski). If you want the rod to have the same characteristics as before the change, the you must add some cane to the mid/butt of the rod to maintain the balance that was there before. It does not do anything to the action as most of the last 3 inches is inside the ferrule anyway. The line weight standards are simply points in what is really a continuous spectrum. 1 2 3 This rod belonged to rodbuilder Tim Bedford. The butt has a long flex area from 45"- 75" and a butt swell. Its the old problem, everyone wants to tell us what they think the answer is, but they never want to tell us why in terms unequivocal and universal! Users can select the appropriate Morgan Handmill Cutter to match the geometry including both the 60.5 and 61.5 degree cutters for hex rods. Post 0.168 65 0.2565 All Rights Reserved. (Will Price), You can adapt the taper that calls for a step down by putting a slight swell at the male ferrule end of the taper so that a super Z or super Swiss ferrule will work properly. Standard Tapers Two-piece with two tips, bag and aluminum tube Price : $1099 Custom Tapers Two-piece with two tips, bag and aluminum tube Price : $1199 - $1399 A straight line taper could be arbitrary, but in this case it is very specific to line weight. Made by Top Ten Tapers in Twinsburg, Ohio. bamboo fly rod blank (two-piece single tip) - Proof Fly Fishing 6'6" 2wt. the grip so I did some interpolation. 0.102 (Lowell Davis), The 8013 is definitely NOT a longer version of the 7613. BTW, Paul, different strokes for different folks. Listed as 7 wt but that seems kinda heavy? The part of the ferrule that fits over the bamboo on the tip section (male ferrule) had the same exact inside diameter of .221" INITIALLY! A Lyle Dickerson model 8014 bamboo fly rod, 8', 2-piece, 3-tip, and built for a #6 line. One of these days I am going to get myself a DICKERSON! by jim royston 05/26/17 08:58, Return to Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods., Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. This is one of those bio-feedback things you must be self taught IMHO. In the hands of a good caster, this taper will make a fly line do things that amaze. Tell me about it please. Just basic principles that have been around for years. Very smooth and plenty of power for a 5 wt should you need it. I am assuming this is an unvarnished rod. You don't find a need for a 7'6" 5wt on your streams. In case you didn't get the taper before, here it is: 0.066 (John Channer), Well, the #13 Payne ferrules that I've mic'd had a female ferrule internal diameter of .203" and the step-down internal diameter of .1875". As a rule I only make #5 rods (like Marinaro) and the bulk of these are less than 7'6". A 2pc rod is much less vulnerable to breakage when fitted that way than a 3pc tip ferrule. 0.241 30 .174 .318 (Tim Pembroke), I wasn't aware of that but now that I've been told it does make perfect sense. I did subtract the .006 when I made mine and I love it as I do every Dickerson taper that I've cast. But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you! I have fit the ferrules but not glued them up yet. (Todd Talsma), I had rather hoped that I might finesse out of someone just what these specific requirements might be. by avyoung 06/17/16 04:49, Post When fishing bamboo for trout I believe the "best" length is an 8 foot rod. double taper silk lines at short ranges. Can someone explain what this means and what number should I use. Everything is subjective, but for me Morten, the 1949 version of the 8013 listed in the Lovely Reed is the best version of this taper. Yes you do have the seemingly limitless variation of moving the point or points and amount of material added or removed along the rod length. I have a chart of the dimensions at home, if you need a copy email me off list. 15 .258 .144 25 0.142 158834 The Paul Young Perfectionist. I repaired the rod with by putting on a custom ferrule. As you got more line out the rod would flex deeper into the shaft. Strong tip; butt has flex area from 45" to 80" then a butt swell at 80". 0.160 I finally made one for my wife and cut one into 4 pieces for me. I have fished some pretty big water with this rod and it has served me very well. 5 .326 .168 On the other hand, Dickerson was designing rods (most likely) for Michigan waters. $ 1950us w/two tips, DICKERSON 7012 - 7' 2/2 - 4wt- honey colored - medium action, wonderful 4wt$ 1950us w/two tips. At The Airport. Regarding the similarities and differences between the 7'6" and 8' Dickerson's. The point is this: a straight taper only leads to a flat stress curve, as you say, UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS. Maybe they were off a little but I have no reason to believe that if his 13 die were 13.5 he would not have marked it thusly. This rod consists of medium tempered cane constructed in a 3x3 node pattern with Dickerson tan wraps and black tipping. There are some differences between their tapers and line sizes, however they are all somewhat medium fast. So the data exists both ways in the spreadsheet. In terms of rod design I think that it is really worthwhile considering as many design approaches as possible when trying to design and assess tapers. Removing material in the center creates a hinge aiding in roll casting ability (thank you Harry for that bit of information). (Will Price), Is not 7'6'' a bit short for a five weight? Both tapers conform to the shape broadly called parabolic and thus will have the shortcomings that all rods of this misconceived taper share. Even if EC did "compound" his B-9 taper just in front of the ferrule for a specific reason, it wouldn't negate the fact that this is AT HEART A STRAIGHT TAPER. (Mark Shamburg). Just as the "super Z's" have a female barrel that is 2/64's larger than the bamboo sleeve or male insert, it is the same, but opposite with the Dickerson style "stepped" ferrules. The stepdown in the male is from a 14/64 ID where the ferrule initially goes over the bamboo and steps down to 12/64 ID for the bamboo inside of the male slide. I would be interested to hear Bob Norwood's approach on this issue. . It didn't make since to me but went ahead and planed the butt section the way it was listed. well there is your answer. Just giving a different perspective and what has worked for me. F E Thomas. CSE makes and sells this kind of "step-down" ferrule, from tubing, as Dickerson did. Just have finish paying for the last kids college. We all have devices to try to self describe tapers. One of my favorite rods is a linear taper with a "slope" of .290/100". It will be one of the rods in what I am calling my Basic Reference Taper set. Except for where the swell begins, the butts are similar as well. The tip tapers are the only redeeming feature of his designs, and now you tell me they were not deliberate, I'll burn my copy of "The Book" immediately, at least I shall be spared tolerating toadying references to "Garry" when ever (very seldom, in fact) I refer to it! 3 months after I had the guy back on the phone asking me to make another one as its the best rod he has ever had. 30 0.155 You can built say a 5wt using a 13/64 ferrule and any of these slopes, and they'll all be 5 weights, but if you do the math you'll see that the tip dimensions would vary greatly. Cynically, but I may not have entirely given up, yet. 2023 Spinoza Rod Company. 20 .140 .298 Not that I very much care, these people have a perfect right to their willful ignorance. .212 is way too big for a 13/64, it's well into the 14/64 fit range. 30 .216 .099 He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. To the right of that you'll see there is a column allowing for varnish. 10 .110 .254 0.360 (Jay Hake). Assuming this to be thus you have made adjustments so small that they are mostly below normal error, and if we allow a factor for variation in natural materials then the exercise becomes entirely futile except as an exercise in applied physics! The stepped down portion of the male is 2/64's smaller than the sleeve. Short cased and portable. You can easily introduce straight line tapers as well. The thickness of varnish of course was just our guess. 0.278 4070 Main Street, For any thing else but roll casting or keeping a very finite weight of DT in the air, it's useless. The ordeal with the broken rod changed my whole way of looking at ferrule sizes. The 3 flats got averaged and put into a column in the center of the page. )really love this taper. They would be, Heavy butt section, Light butt section, heavy tip, light tip, Parabolic (heavy in the middle) and the hinge (light in the middle). Thanks for the feedback, very helpful. In fact, I had great trouble casting the bloody thing. Point Dimension (Al Baldauski). For each size ferrule there is a specific range of dimensions that will fit inside each size. I am sure that the step-downs are important in copying the taper design exactly. It was normal at the time to fit ferrules to the tip and undercut the butt to fit. I'm not sure why you don't like Garrison, nor his tapers, but you can have your own opinions as can everyone else. You may think you are being rude about "Classic" production methods, but they're probably better than mine. The swell should start in front of the cork, at least 3" to 5". In other words as the load increased, more of the rod would flex in a liner fashion. I just posted on the Rod Builders forum a 861711D Dickerson taper taken from a rod built in 1938 and restored by RW Summers in 2005. (Greg Reeves). Digger Digere. Fast Dickerson 7613 - 7'6" 2pc to use it on trout other than the Yough, Savage River reservoir and some lakes. I'm off to the antipodes next year, and I'm hoping that the 7'6'' #5 that should be a #4 will go with me. by Morten 06/12/16 08:37, Post The taper on David Ray's site is an 861711D. Dickerson Rods For Sale 35 0.162 166451 After looking at the taper which has a fairly big step down at the ferrule I decided in my humble opinion to put some of the cane back about .01". (Gary Nicholson), The chap is obviously of unsound mind as the Perfectionist is IMHO one of the all time worst taper rods out there. 80 0.296 121171 ferrules, such as Mr. Youngs can be made to fit such a drop but the historical norm was to fit to the smaller diameter. But if you really like Dickerson tapers (i sure do) then getting a good maker to whip up his version of that taper while using his personal cosmetics would be my first choice. The swell starts at the 80" mark which will be under the cork assuming I have a grip and an insert roughly 10" in length. Worked well enough for me to pass the test. Get information on services and amenities, security protocols, health and safety measures, and more. They will not be using straight tapers, I'm afraid. Chris likes it for Smallmouth on the Shenandoah. As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. I think you are being a tad myopic, if you can't see that .016, .014, and .015 AVERAGE OUT to equal .014". 0.369 Only lost 1/2 inch in rod length. Chris' rod is also an 861711D. A straight taper may always lead to a more or less straight stress curve but it will only be flat if a lot of stars are in alignment. I thought it was in there, but I didn't have the link, and the CD I got from Lowell is at home. (Paul Blakley), I use the taper in Maurer's book, which is the same as Wane C's, which supposedly came from Young's mill. As Stephen points out if you can cast the rods then graph them out you really start to understand how it all comes together. 5 .096 .244 0.128 The most interesting rods have a distinctive type of action, and a particular form and design, which is distinctive, and which seems to express a particular maker's vision. (Robin Haywood), This would be very easy, but would impact on other desirable qualities. Because of subjective issues like feel and personal prejudices, not to mention fashion, we "adjust" this a bit in fishing rods. Obviously this has to be judicious, as there comes a point where the taper tends more towards an adjacent standard line weight. So now where do you add or subtract material and what effect will it have on the rod. Its definitely a bigger water rod that the 7613. 0.178 To all of them and their contemporaries we are grateful . It does handle a 7 very well too. I love the 7612 Taper. Look at a graph of the rod dimensions. It's all pulled through by hand. 0.288 I sold one to a co-worker who is a streamer guy and he fishes it with a full sinking 5 wt line and is happy with it. A true 13-14 step down. The tips look essentially the same. Is there anyone who could help us finding the right data conserning the taper. If you 'hide' columns you can then compare and easily see differences in any combination of selected rod tapers. CSE made the ferrule for me. 0.111 (Steve Weiss), Good idea, Steven, but you would have get in line behind me and one of my Garrisons. 0.120 To this Robin brings up the complications created by the weight and placement of ferrules etc. 0.196 I search on Google and didn't come up with anything. 765: 7'6" 2/2 5 wt. (Lew) Parks. .334@35 0.360 (Tim Pembroke). I have one of his 7625's, and it's a great rod, being a 7613 replica. 10 0.101 154505 50 0.203 148510 (Jimmy Chang), I have made rods using both tapers. We're committed to providing a safe, comfortable environment for our travelers. Don't you find short rods a problem on those splendid Yorkshire chalk streams? It is obviously also extremely useful to compare one rod with others at the same time. the 3pc tapers were appropriated from other makers so it does not always hold true in that case. Pezon/Michel. Summers Bamboo Fly Rods Company Vom Hofe Reels Young Winston Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. Dickerson Rods. by mosquito 05/08/09 09:33, Post 761510: 7'6" 3/2 5 wt. .but like most opinions you will find that many on this list (and in the world at large) are not going to agree with you. Though the course may change sometimes, rivers always reach the sea was a Scientific Angler 's in. 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